NFL Discussion Thread - 2010 Offseason/Draft

[PR]

I'm pissed we didn't have one before now. Lets make this an epic thread.... fuck cricket.

Well, it appears that the cowboys are the class of the NFC and probably of the NFL. They have a top 5 quarterback, a top 5 RB, a solid and deep defense, the best TE in the league, and TO. Seriously...debate me.

Punkrocker's rankings after week 3: Top 10

1. Dallas Cowboys
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Denver Broncos
5. Pittsburgh Steelers
6. New York Giants
7. Tennessee Titans
8. New Orleans Saints
9. Carolina Panthers
10. Minnesota Vikings (better than their record).

Things could changed tonight if the Jets really show me something against the Chargers.

[Buss]

The Boy's right now are the pick for the bowl, of course that would not be the case if Brady was playing for the Pat's, still, I don't think Romo has the quality to lead a team all the way to glory, maybe in a few more years time, but then of course there would be no T.O.

[PR]

Quote Originally Posted by Buss The Boy's right now are the pick for the bowl, of course that would not be the case if Brady was playing for the Pat's, still, I don't think Romo has the quality to lead a team all the way to glory, maybe in a few more years time, but then of course there would be no T.O.

I see the point, but I do think this is his year and his time. True, im a bit biased, but look at Peyton Manning. His first two playoff appearances, he couldn't win a game.

He's gotten so much shit for Jessica Simpson, lost playoff games, etc... so this is his year to prove himself.

and for the record... LAST YEARS LOSS TO THE GIANTS WAS NOT ROMO'S FAULT! I hate it when people say that..obviously didn't watch the game.

[Buss]

Manning always had the ability, he just never had the chance to finally use that ability until he got someone else other than Harrison to throw to, Romo has T.O. and Witten two of the best receivers in the game, but for me he does not have anywhere near the same kind of field intelligence that Manning has got, sure that will probably come in future, but right now it is not good enough to help lead the Cowboys to Superbowl glory, that is my opinion though and I am probably wrong.

[PR]

Quote Originally Posted by Buss Manning always had the ability, he just never had the chance to finally use that ability until he got someone else other than Harrison to throw to, Romo has T.O. and Witten two of the best receivers in the game, but for me he does not have anywhere near the same kind of field intelligence that Manning has got, sure that will probably come in future, but right now it is not good enough to help lead the Cowboys to Superbowl glory, that is my opinion though and I am probably wrong.

I think hes got the intelligence....but he doesn't always use his better judgement. For example, he thinks he can make ANY throw and NEVER wants to take the sack. While its good to have confidence, its also good to know how to manage the game and minimize mistakes. Thats where he reminds me of a young favre. Hes got the tools and his risks allow him amazing highlight throws and scrambles, but your always waiting for that one pick. Once he controls that a bit, he'll be the best in the league in my biased opinion.

Whos your sb pick btw?

[Nick M.]

Pats still going to win AFC East tbh.

Cowboys looking good thus far.

Cardinals a suprise as they're playing well.

Also Jacksonville expect them to go deep into the playoffs and knock of Indy for their AFC South divison.

[PR]

Quote Originally Posted by nick m. Pats still going to win AFC East tbh. Cowboys looking good thus far. Cardinals a suprise as they're playing well. Also Jacksonville expect them to go deep into the playoffs and knock of Indy for their AFC South divison.

Are you for real? I don't see how you could be that confident after the DOLPHINS and RONNIE FUCKING BROWN destroyed your defense.

I'm picking bills to win the AFC east, with the pats and jets slugging it out for the wildcard.

[Nick M.]

I have no worries about that. It was one game, and i'm sure that Belicheck and co. will not let it happen again.

We have a veteran defense that knows how to win and im sure they were embarrassed by there perfomance and guys like Vrabel and Rodney will make sure to keep everyone and line and step it up the rest of the season.

[AK-47]

Guess who Detroit fired? The worse CEO/President/GM in the NFL, Matt Millen. I think this could be pretty good in the future for the Lions. Now, I'm wondering if Rod Marenelli's job is in jeopardy. I like our coach, but if William Clay Ford, Jr. voices his opinion to his father...they may hire a GM that is going to fire Rod Marenelli and the rest of the coaching staff. This offseason..I'm looking for a major cleanout and revamping and rebuilding of the entire Detroit Lions organization.

My possible releases:
QB Jon Kitna
CB Brian Kelley...

[PR]

Nick M.... that defense may be veteran, but it is not what it used to be.

Quote My possible releases: QB Jon Kitna CB Brian Kelley...

Lions can do better at QB than jon fucking kitna. BTW many cowboys fans think a trade for Roy Williams could happen. You think thats ridiculous?

[Weez]

Quote Originally Posted by PR26 . BTW many cowboys fans think a trade for Roy Williams could happen. You think thats ridiculous?

Funny you should say that, I saw an article yesterday in the Dallas Morning News about Roy Williams (WR) lol, and he's talking about how his contract expires at the end of the season, and how they haven't started negotiations.

He went on to say something (Paraphrasing) "Well, you always want to play hard and stay with the team that drafted you, but as you get older, you want to come home too. I hear my family wanting me to go back to texas. We'll see where it goes"

They might just wait until he's a free agent, but the Lions are fucking tards if they don't franchise the sonofabitch.

Well, with no Matt Millen, that might actually happen now lol. Ya know? Something that makes sense? lol

[Buss]

Quote Originally Posted by PR26 I think hes got the intelligence....but he doesn't always use his better judgement. For example, he thinks he can make ANY throw and NEVER wants to take the sack. While its good to have confidence, its also good to know how to manage the game and minimize mistakes. Thats where he reminds me of a young favre. Hes got the tools and his risks allow him amazing highlight throws and scrambles, but your always waiting for that one pick. Once he controls that a bit, he'll be the best in the league in my biased opinion. Whos your sb pick btw?

The Ravens are my pick to win the bowl this year, although if the Pats make it to the off-season and get Brady back during the run up or start of the play-offs then they will win it.

[Nick M.]

Ravens...please tell me your joking.

And brady can't be back, he was placed on IR meaning he can't play the whole season.

[Buss]

Quote Originally Posted by nick m. Ravens...please tell me your joking. And brady can't be back, he was placed on IR meaning he can't play the whole season.

No... I'm not.

Who is your pick?

[Nick M.]

Quote Originally Posted by Buss No... I'm not. Who is your pick?

Gotta go with the Boys or the Titans.

Always hoping the Pats win though, but i know they dont have a reasonable chance now.

[Buss]

The Boys are no doubt right now the favourites, but in my view they do not have the ability to do it this year, and picking the Titans is about as much of a joke as picking the Ravens is, and the Pats without Brady are not going to win the bowl, simple as that.

[Nick M.]

How do you say that?

The titans have arguably the best defense in the league. They have a great running game, as well as a veteran QB in Kerry Collins if they need him, and they have Vince Yougn if he can stay focused. They are definetly suprising everyone right and could end up winning the divison and going deep into the playoffs.

The Ravens i will give you have a good running game, but they will find out they they're QB can't carry them through the season. Also defnese is getting old and once they start playign the cream of the crop i dont think they will even make the playoffs.

[Buss]

Its a gut feeling I have.

[PR]

Ravens are actually a good dark-horse pick imo. I think a change of coaching was good for them and woke them up. I mean look how good they were against the pats last year!

Titans are actually convincing me. As long as their defense holds up, they have the ability to hang with any team in the AFC.

and btw, Brady tore his ACL and MCL, so theres zero chance of him playing this year. Hell, he might not be 100% by the start of next season. QB's struggle after injuries like that, example: McNabb last year.

[Nick M.]

so it looks like both Favre and bolden will be playing this week even with injuries. Also bob sanders the leader of the colts defense had knee surgery and should be out for a while.

Some big games this week Redskins @ Boys, Cardinals @ Jets, and Vikings @ Tennesse.

[PR]

super pumped for skins/boys. Always a tough game

[Taker43153]

roofikins:ro ofikins:

[Nick M.]

wow so some upsets this week.

chiefs beat denver

skins beat cowboys

bears beat eagles.

[Jay]

wow looks like the Bills, the Titans and the New York Giants are the only teams left that are undefeated.

[PR]

I had a feeling skins was a trap game

I still think this game says more about the skins than it does about Dallas. Campbell looked better than ever, and if he can get that offense going they are going to be dangerous.

Fucking NFC East BLEH!

[Jay]

Quote IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo has a broken finger on his throwing hand and could be out for up to four weeks. Romo, who had started 30 straight regular-season games since replacing Drew Bledsoe in 2006, broke his right pinkie on the first play of overtime in a 30-24 loss at Arizona on Sunday, according to a posting on the team's official Web site. The injury will not require surgery, a member of the Cowboys' medical staff told ESPN.com's Matt Mosley. The injury leaves the Cowboys (4-2) with 40-year-old Brad Johnson as the starter. Johnson, who won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, hasn't started a game since 2006 in Minnesota. The Cowboys had no plans Monday to sign a veteran quarterback or trade for one before Tuesday's trade deadline, a team source told ESPN's Michael Smith. Romo missed on three straight passes to start the overtime, having passed for 321 yards and three touchdowns despite heavy pressure. He was sacked three times and knocked down 19 times. Romo, whose hand was heavily wrapped after the game, fumbled three times Sunday, losing one, but didn't throw an interception for the first time in the last nine games. The Cowboys quarterback was feeling "down" about the injury, a source close to Romo who had spoken with him Monday told ESPN's Ed Werder, though he likely will miss only three games, with the Cowboys' bye week coming four weeks from this past Sunday. The Cowboys travel to St. Louis to play the Rams this Sunday before hosting the Buccaneers and playing the Giants at the Meadowlands. Romo and agent Ken Kremer were in the process Monday of determining whether they will seek a second opinion from a specialist. Through Sunday's games, Romo ranked second in NFC passing with a 103.5 rating. He has thrown for 14 touchdowns and been intercepted five times. He had his team-record 14th career 300-yard passing game Sunday in his 32nd start. That broke a tie with Troy Aikman, whose 13 were accomplished in 165 starts. In 2007, his first full season as a starter, Romo led the Cowboys to a 13-3 record, best in the NFC. He set team records with 335 completions for 4,211 yards and 36 touchdowns, including the team-record 15 receiving by Terrell Owens, in a season that ended with a loss to the Giants in the first round of the playoffs. Johnson quarterbacked the Buccaneers to the NFL championship in 2002. He has been Romo's backup since last season and threw only 11 passes in 2007. Johnson, in his second year as Cowboys backup, has only seen brief mop-up duty in Dallas, going 7-for-11 for 79 yards. Before coming to Dallas, Johnson started 122 of his 145 career games with Minnesota (1993-98, 2005-06), Washington (1999-2000) and Tampa Bay (2001-04). Johnson has completed 2,627 of 4,248 career passes (61.8 percent) for 28,627 yards with 164 touchdowns and 117 interceptions. He passed for 2,750 yards in 2006 with nine TDs and 15 interceptions -- only the third time in his career with more interceptions than TDs. Another former Viking, Brooks Bollinger, will be Johnson's backup.

omg this news just made my day. Romo will be out for the Giants/Cowboys game in Week 8, and that means the Giants will steamroll them and stay undefeated. We're going 14-2 this year, I think.

[PR]

Quote Originally Posted by Jay omg this news just made my day. Romo will be out for the Giants/Cowboys game in Week 8, and that means the Giants will steamroll them and stay undefeated. We're going 14-2 this year, I think.

ROFL EAT YOUR OWN WORDS DICK

Browns? HAR HAR HAR.

Lose a game because of a blocked punt and romo out? God hates the cowboys.

God save us.

[Nick M.]

hahah so happy the browns won that lmfao.

giants are overrated tbh.

Pats got raped though by the chargers, they're not even that good this year...we really may not even win our division unfortunatly.

Sucks for romo and the cowboys though, brad johnson better get ready to lead, sucks for me too, i had romo on one of my fantasy.

[Nick M.]

Quote Last week Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones thoroughly explained why he thought Adam "Pacman" Jones did not deserve a suspension following his latest controversial incident. Upon further review, the NFL thinks otherwise. The NFL announced Tuesday that the oft-troubled Cowboys cornerback has been suspended indefinitely without pay by commissioner Roger Goodell due to his "alcohol-related altercation" with a team bodyguard at a Dallas hotel last week. Jones, who was suspended for the entire 2007 season due to multiple violations of the league's personal conduct policy, will miss at least the next four games before Goodell determines the final length of the suspension. According to a league press release, the decision on Jones' possible reinstatement will be pending his strict compliance to NFL and Cowboys-sponsored treatment plans plus progress reports supplied by clinical behavior experts to Goodell. At the NFL meeting in St. Petersburg, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he had spoken to the player, whom he described as being "devastated" by the news. In a statement released by the team, Jerry Jones said: "We respect and support the decision of the commissioner. I regret that this issue has brought negative attention to the Cowboys and the NFL. We move forward with a very clear knowledge as to what the process will be for a possible reinstatement. Adam is well aware of where he stands and what he has to do." Adam Jones was fully reinstated by Goodell just before the season opener after being suspended for 17 months and missing the entire 2007 season because of numerous off-field problems. He has started all six games with the Cowboys. But Jones returned to headlines after an incident one week earlier on October 8. Dallas police said officers responded to a disturbance about 11 p.m. but that the incident was over by the time they arrived. Some some hotel employees reported overhearing a scuffle in the men's restroom in the lobby. Adam Jones and his bodyguard, Tommy Jones — a Cowboys employee empowered by Jerry Jones to help protect the player from himself — told police that everything was resolved, and both were driven from the hotel by an acquaintance, police said. The bodyguard told police he didn't want to press charges. This incident, which Jerry Jones originally described as "kidding each other" and "jiving around," may not have drawn any attention for a player without Adam Jones' rap sheet — six arrests and 12 incidents requiring police intervention from the time the Tennessee Titans drafted him in the first round in 2005 and sent him to Dallas in April to complete a long-discussed trade. A day after the incident, the Dallas owner spent an extensive news conference explaining why the team would not be suspending its player, calling the altercation an "aberration." But Jerry Jones did admit at the time, "I did not dream that we would get in a situation where we had all the structure in place and literally have an incident that casts lightly with him publicly or with the league that would involve the very people that you're doing the structure with." Tennessee originally got a fourth-round pick in the April draft, and a sixth-rounder next year for Adam Jones. The Cowboys could get back a fifth-rounder in 2009 pending Jones' punishment. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

wow i really can't believe that goodell suspended pacman.

I actually think this punishment is to harsh, shit like this happens, Pacman didn't hurt anyone it was just a problem with his body guard, not some random person off the street.

I think the comish took this one a little to hard, and it was definetly not worth a 4 game suspension imo. Dallas Cowboys are losing players left and right.

[AK-47]

Quote Originally Posted by nick m. wow i really can't believe that goodell suspended pacman. I actually think this punishment is to harsh, shit like this happens, Pacman didn't hurt anyone it was just a problem with his body guard, not some random person off the street. I think the comish took this one a little to hard, and it was definetly not worth a 4 game suspension imo. Dallas Cowboys are losing players left and right.

Did you forget that when Jones was reinstated...Goodell added in a '0 Tolerancy' thing to his staying in the NFL. If he got in trouble again, boom Jones would be suspended again.

[Nick M.]

Quote Originally Posted by AK-47 Did you forget that when Jones was reinstated...Goodell added in a '0 Tolerancy' thing to his staying in the NFL. If he got in trouble again, boom Jones would be suspended again.

yeai knew that, but even still i think its to harsh, im not a fan of jones or anything but a 4 game suspension that didn't result in any arrests, but was more of a scuffell with a body guard that was his, not even someone he didnt know seems to much.

now i can see one game or 2, but 4 is just ridiculous.

[AK-47]

It's actually an indefinite suspension...with a four game minimum...so I think it's possibly going to be more than 4 games.

[Weez]

Screw it. Pacman Suspended. I can't say he didn't deserve it, but it hurts right now.

Our punter was carried off the field this week. Romo broke a finger, out up to 4 weeks. Newman is still hurt, Pacman suspsended, Felix Jones with the bum hammy. God hates the Cowboys.

Edit: Maybe its God's way. They always said that The hole in Texas Stadium's roof was so God could watch his favorite team. Maybe God's pissed about the new Stadium's retractable dome =/

[Weez]

Quote Originally Posted by FoxSports.com The Dallas Cowboys acquired wide receiver Roy Williams in a trade with the Detroit Lions, according to a report on the Dallas Morning News Web site. The Lions will receive first-, third- and sixth-round picks in 2009 in return while also sending over their seventh-round pick, the report said, citing a source. The deal took place moments before the 4 p.m. ET trade deadline. The news comes one day after the Cowboys learned quarterback Tony Romo will miss four weeks with a broken finger. Williams has 17 catches for 232 yards and a touchdown for the 0-5 Lions. His best year was in 2006, when he caught 82 passes for 1,310 yards and seven touchdowns.

This is good news. THis guy is a beast. I hope they lock this guy down. He's a Texas boy coming home. Now, if Johnson can just get him the ball for a few weeks >.> lol

[Nick M.]

Quote Originally Posted by Weez This is good news. THis guy is a beast. I hope they lock this guy down. He's a Texas boy coming home. Now, if Johnson can just get him the ball for a few weeks >.> lol

i remember them talking about him possibly coming at the beginning of the season. glad to see they got this all worked out because he is just a physical freak. if someone throws him the ball he can get it. WR core for Dallas is looking quite good now, TO, Roy, Crayton, Witten...

[Weez]

Quote Originally Posted by nick m. i remember them talking about him possibly coming at the beginning of the season. glad to see they got this all worked out because he is just a physical freak. if someone throws him the ball he can get it. WR core for Dallas is looking quite good now, TO, Roy, Crayton, Witten...

Don't forget the Tandem of Barber and Felix Jones.. Feel free to sneak an extra defender out into coverage...We'll have your LUNCH on the ground.

Looks good on paper, just need someone to throw the damn ball to them lol.,
Johnson will be ok. I mean, shit, he did lead a team to a Super Bowl, right? lol

[PR]

Jesus fucking christ... what a whirlwind for the boys

- Romo being out for the next 3 games hurts a lot. We should beat the fucking rams, but the bucs and giants will be rough games without Romo. Maybe with Roy Williams the offense will have a bit of energy and a kick in the ass. I sure hope so. Apparently Favre called romo and told him to try to play through the pain, so we'll see. idk.

- Pacman probably won't get another shot on the boys. Jerry gave him an opportunity and he blew it. Plus he wasn't playing that great anyway....fairly average. It was a low-risk move to get him, but its now low reward.

- Felix is out. ouch.

- WE GOT ROY BABY! The dude is a beast. How the fuck do you guard TO, Roy, Crayton, Witten, and Barber in the flat? Can't.

Lets hope Brad Johnson can just hit open receivers and not turn the ball over....if we come out of the bye 6-3 I'll be happy.

[PR]

NFC EAST:
Giants : 4-1
Skins: 4-2
Boys: 4-2
Eagles: 3-3

Damn thats going to be a battle.

[Weez]

Quote Originally Posted by PR26 NFC EAST: Giants : 4-1 Skins: 4-2 Boys: 4-2 Eagles: 3-3 Damn thats going to be a battle.

Yeah, THe shittiest part of the NFC East is that only 3 teams can make it to the postseason lol.

Don't get me wrong, Fuck those guys. The only time I'd ever cheer for another NFC East team is they're playing the Pats lol.

I gotta be in agreement with ya, PR. Dallas REALLY needs 2 wins out of this stretch, and I wouldn't be offended if we lost to NY in the 3rd game, tbh. I would REALLY like a split this year with them, as winning 3 in 1 season vs 1 team is almost impossible (Read: Lucky Fucking Giants Last Year).

Speaking of Roy Williams (the WR one lol), I read in the Dallas Morning News that the expected to finalize his 6 year contract today. He's gonna retire a Cowboy. That's every Texas kid's dream growing up. Should be a great time. Hell yes.

Hmm. THe only problem I got is the 2 Roy Williams' on one team. I need to source this, but I'm pretty sure I read in the paper a few years ago that they have the same Middle initial too lol.

If that's true, I'll start a Movement to call them "Roy O. Williams" and "Roy D. Williams" lol

[Taker43153]

Quote Originally Posted by Weez Hmm. THe only problem I got is the 2 Roy Williams' on one team. I need to source this, but I'm pretty sure I read in the paper a few years ago that they have the same Middle initial too lol.

WR - Roy Eugene Williams
S - Roy Lee Williams

Anways... losing these four guys really hurts. Romo was doing really good, even in the loss to Arizona he had 320+ yards and three touchdowns to no interceptions. Though losing Romo, I feel comfortable with Brad Johnson behind center. He's really experienced and will probably take better control of the ball than Romo does. The only thing I'm concerned with here is the O-Line giving Johnson time to throw.

Losing Felix Jones hurts more than losing Romo, in my opinion. Jones was off to a great start in his rookie season, averaging 9 yards a carry and is vital in our two back system we have. Not only has he been great at RB, but he's shown a lot of potential as a kick returner. The sooner he gets back, the better.

I'm a bit disappointed by Adam Jones, but it's not like this suspension was really unexpected. I don't think Jones has been playing at the level that he was brought in to play. Though, I'd like to seem him back eventually, as Jerry Jones has said that he'd give Adam another chance here in Dallas. With Newman still out, this really hurts our CB position, and now we have to rely on our rookies.

Last but not least, our Pro Bowl punter, McBriar who was put on the IR this week. Though punting really isn't too vital when you have an offense like the Cowboys have, McBriar was the best punter in the league. This really helps us when the offense stalls and having a guy who can punt about 80 yards, ha. I'd really like to see him back next year too.

Okay, enough of the losses and to the acquistion of WR Roy Williams. I'm not sure this will solve our offensive struggle right now, but it definatley helps. Williams is a great WR, coming to a team who already has a great WR core. T.O, Austin, Crayton, Williams, and Witten are all great receiving threats. Hopefully Johnson will spread the ball around in the coming weeks.

I have no idea why we've been struggling on defense. On paper, it's probably the best in the league. There's so many stars out there just not playing at the level they were brought in to play. The only one who's been constant is DeMarcus Ware.

I'm just really concerned with the defense. Roy's production has slumped over the past few years. about 3 or 4 years ago, I'd call him the best safety in the league. Now, it's really rare to hear his name during the game.

I'm sure we can beat the 1-4 Rams this week. I'd really like to win against the Bucs and we're a better team overall, but the way the Cowboys have been playing recently, I just don't know.